Thursday, 31 May 2012

Death and a single cut wrist artery

In my last post I had considered the illogicality of selecting the ulnar artery for incision if a person was contemplating suicidePrevious to that post I had discussed the knife found close to Dr Kelly's body and pointed out that it wasn't a sensible choice for someone bent on cutting their wrist.  Even more important than these points perhaps is the question of whether someone can die from blood loss as a result of incising a wrist artery and it's this matter that I now want to address.

Prior to Lord Hutton publishing his report on 28 January 2004 some medical experts were already asking how it was possible to lose sufficient blood (in medical parlance "exsanguination") from a severed wrist artery to lead to death.  Although some people have said that it can and has happened I would want to see a pathologist's report to be convinced.

As with the medical experts I am talking about a deceased who doesn't have a blood clotting disorder, a person who cuts just one wrist artery and someone who isn't sitting in a bath with the wrist immersed in water to keep the blood flowing.  Moreover it needs to be a case where there isn't another major contributory cause to the death.

Prior to carrying out the post mortem on Dr Kelly's body Dr Hunt had performed thousands of autopsies as I pointed out in this post  http://drkellysdeath-timeforthetruth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/dr-hunt-had-conducted-thousands-of-post.html  Before 18th July 2003 it seems that he had never carried out a post mortem on a person who had died as a result of haemorrhage from cutting a single artery in the wrist, certainly not the ulnar.  Effectively he was in, to him, uncharted territory.

Attempted suicide by wrist slashing isn't that uncommon but usually the physical damage that results is quite limited.  This is what one of the ambulance crew, Dave Bartlett, said in a newspaper interview on 12 September 2010:

‘To me, people rarely commit suicide by slitting their wrists. They’ll usually do it and end up in hospital.’

The ambulance crew were interviewed for The Observer by Antony Barnett on 12 December 2004.  This is Dave Bartlett again:

Most of them are taken down the hospital and given a few stitches then sent straight back home. 

There is an interesting comment in the "Jack of Kent" blog by someone calling themselves "London Cardiologist" http://jackofkent.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/blogging-on-death-of-dr-david-kelly.html

This is the comment:

I am a hospital doctor who regularly needs to cut the radial artery in the wrist as part of planned therapeutic procedure. I perform this procedure 5-6 times per day, as do my colleagues.

None of us have ever seen anyone lose more than a small amount of blood from radial artery trauma, let alone bleed to death (as was the stated cause of death for Dr Kelly). Our personal experience is compatitble with all of the medical textbooks and current scientific literature.
The artery clamps down and spasms when it is cut - preventing further blood loss - which is presumably an evolutionary mechanism. Although the possibility of the occurance of fatal radial artery haemorrhage exists, its theoretical likelihood is very small.

Scientific knowledge would be advanced if the inquest notes here were in the public domain. The medical profession might change its practice and preconceptions about radial artery trauma with the information provided.

Put simply, one of the major functions of the inquest system is to advance the total sum of human knowledge. Until this information is in the public domain, it can't be critically appraised. These are the reasons why all skeptics should be drawing attention to this; the conspiracy theorists have nothing to do with it.


This doctor is talking about the radial artery but it is almost identical in size to the ulnar artery.  To all intents and purposes a single transected wrist artery out in the open and with the person having no blood clotting problems should not lead to sufficient blood loss to lead to death.

Hutton is seriously at fault once again in not asking about the likelihood of death resulting from a single cut artery.  Dr Hunt appears to have given little thought about whether this supposed cause of death stands up to scrutiny.  

At the moment then we have an unsuitable knife, the wrong artery being cut and the near impossibility of death from cutting a single ulnar artery.  As we shall see the evidence doesn't show that there was sufficient blood loss at Harrowdown Hill to support the official cause of death.

11 comments:

  1. I died , cutting both wrists, the r one was not ejecting blood as pulse rate, but my left one was spitting blood high, at the rate of my heart beat, I had complete cardiovascular collapse within 1 hour, they brought me back, intubated 2 surgeries ICU for 6 days later I am now left 6 months later with a malfunctioning hand and pain.. I regret my act.

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    1. Do you think you will try to kill yourself again? Trying a different method? If you succeeded in killing yourself you obviously put a lot of effort into it and wanted to die. Has that frame of mind changed?

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  2. And this is why assisted suicide should be legal.

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  3. I succeeded as well but mine was in a warm bath. I get to forever feel the pain of a slit wrist as a part of the nerve damage I received. Yayyy!

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    1. You did not succeed if you are still alive & posting

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  4. Dr Kelly died of heart failure possibly exacerbated by blood loss. HF death rarely requires ANY bleeding. Ignoring this shows a failure to understand VERY basic medicine.

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  6. why does it have to be a wrist? What about the vein on the opposite side of the elbow (where they always take your blood sample?

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    1. because thats a vain and not an artery..

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  7. So many snotty uneducated people on here. Anonymous 1/27/14 you were so honest and straight forward. There are so many idiots out there that are not educated and have to pick at others. I've struggled with depression off and on throuout my life. It's been controlled but I understand. I'm 46. Been in health care since 16, and been nurse for 26 years. I read these sights and I finally responded for very first time. People are mean to people like you who actually offer wisdom to these sites. I'm embarressed by these idiots. So im apologizing for them to you. I'm so very sorry.
    This is like a year or so later. But if u happen to ever read this I hope you are doing well dear friend. BLESs YOU AND YOUR family.

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  8. So many snotty uneducated people on here. Anonymous 1/27/14 you were so honest and straight forward. There are so many idiots out there that are not educated and have to pick at others. I've struggled with depression off and on throuout my life. It's been controlled but I understand. I'm 46. Been in health care since 16, and been nurse for 26 years. I read these sights and I finally responded for very first time. People are mean to people like you who actually offer wisdom to these sites. I'm embarressed by these idiots. So im apologizing for them to you. I'm so very sorry.
    This is like a year or so later. But if u happen to ever read this I hope you are doing well dear friend. BLESs YOU AND YOUR family.

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